George Michael hated it, Fred Durst said it was meant to be a laugh, and millions of American teenagers went absolutely wild for it. It sums up the phenomenon of Limp Bizkit in a nutshell.
Are the songs clever? Are they well-structured? Not especially. No, no, and fuck no. Do they have a back catalogue of incredibly fun and dumb songs that go the fuck off when performed live? Also, I think Creed did some pretty good things. Nickelback isn't ear torture, but they are completely generic and uninteresting, with awful and misogynistic lyrics, phoney machismo, and a total lack of creativity.
Which is worse than just sounding bad, in my opinion. Nickelback, 3 Doors Down, Shinedown, and all of those shitty post-grunge bands were a lot worse than nu-metal.
Concur with other comments. I think the band actually has talent but yeah durst is a raging weapons grade douchenozzle. Liking art and not the artist is a personal choice. Many legends have done some shocking things. Chuck berry was a creeper, lennon was an absolute bastard, Steven tyler and jimmy page messed around with well underage girls to name but a few. If you can't reconcile it in your mind then don't listen.
Fred Durst is a total douchecanoe but he ain't Polanski. As a huge metal fan, I agree wholeheartedly. Metalheads are pretty notorious for being pretentious and elitist when it comes to music taste. I was going to use Polanski as an example but I didn't want to get roasted. Roman Polanski and Woody Allen are my favorite directors of all time.
Separating the art from the artist is absolutely crucial. I love Woody and Polanski as actors and directors, that doesn't mean I love them as people. If you can't separate the art from the artist, you are arbitrarily limiting your knowledge. This goes for music, film, game developers, authors, and any other form of art. Not my absolute favorites, but I enjoy their work a good deal myself. I'm a huge cinephile and a LOT of people in Hollywood are just dirtbags honestly, so separating the art from the artist is something I had to learn to do a while ago.
I'm not going to set my copies of Rosemary's Baby or The Usual Suspects on fire and deny their value because the people that made them turned out to be pieces of human garbage.
I would add that movies are the sum of a lot of people's work, it's not like any of those movies those people were involved with could have been created without a lot of help.
So in the interest of not tarring a lot of people's hard work I don't think it's difficult to accept those works and still appreciate them. I don't get why people love The Usual Suspects so much after watching it mind you, it's a case of the ending was the only reason it got made and that left me feeling conned more than impressed. I felt the same way about Bioshock's ending. I agree with Roger Ebert pretty much on that one. On Limp Bizkit, I do find them fairly cringy because of their presentation.
Their music is pretty boring. Fred Durst also directed The Fanatic, which may be the greatest, or worst accomplishment of his depending on how you see things. I get why people feel this way, but disagree - I feel like the ending is a commentary on the rest of the film in a way, and perhaps on storytelling generally.
It's not like you could stick that ending at the end of any movie and have it make sense. You need the blustery, hyper-masculine intimidation antics of the rest of the story for the more subtle, subversive manipulation of Spacey's character to have any weight or meaning.
Just my take though - and for the record, The Usual Suspects is hardly the best film ever and I would agree to it being generally "overrated". I've thought about it but I just don't think any of that was clever. It thought it was all very clever but it really wasn't, and that particularly pretentious feeling of it really rubbed me the wrong way. I think that makes me outright dislike it other than yes, I would agree, certainly overrated considering how people have suggested it to me in the past.
Don't make your story a commentary on storytelling unless you really have something of substance to say, I think, and that film just didn't have any substance behind its ideas for me. I wasn't aware the public at large still harbored a huge hatred towards Limp Bizkit, or really treated them with anything much more than indifference these daysthough I admittedly wouldn't be the person to ask about current trends in music. Fred Durst certainly invited some of the hatred earlier in his career, when he quite stupidly insulted Slipknot fans.
I think it was partially a cascade effect of group hatred at that point. And when the mood of the industry changed, he couldn't really keep up. After that, it was all downhill. Now their collaboration with this so-called rapper makes them just another band who decided to like like phoenixes and get some dough. That was the music! Now what is this? The song which is a look-everyone-how-cool-i-am. I never cared for Limp Bizkit when they first where big because I was a fan of old school thrash and I didn't like the mix of rap and rock.
But when I heard Chocolate Starfish x generation I really loved it I loved the groove. Limp Bizkit is the only band that I could never figure out what happened to them. At first, the music was exciting when it first came out but when it was it was over, I think the musical gap between rap and rock was just to great and people just chose sides.
They were just fun. I'm sure the internals were fucked, but who cares? The music was always fun. Even the last stuff was interesting commentary.
It took the concepts of metal and rap and experimented with the limits of both. It's not Chopin. I also actually though their version of 'Behind Blue Eyes' was even better than the original.
I just saw somewhere that Fred Durst pretty much thinks Limp Bizkit is over. I think he's late to the party- most of us got that memo around I wasn't a fan as much an observer. I was in middle school when they blew up so I usually associate it with my classmates at the time which always cracks me up. Where I think he messed up were his claims of hooking up with Britney and Christina. Whether or not it was true, it was in poor taste to kiss and tell but I think at that point people had got sick of him anyway.
Regardless, I'm not that much of a fan. I don't get into mixed styles, or infused genres. Me, I'm simply a Reggae man I think that Jon Davis is a deity, seriously. I don't care if he puts out a record of fart noises, I'll think it's genius.
I believe that all that mess when they first came out was intentional - Fred Durst is a marketing genius of epic proportions. The music just got old and people moved on. Break Stuff is my little brother's theme song, I swear! Limp Bizkit Also, since their debut onto the spotlight. Almost immediately they were attack for being gay and all the title for their albums were hidden subliminal messages assuring that they were. I hope you don't listen to Break Stuff.
I'd hate to see what that would make a howler monkey throw around! I'm with you on Korn, and I'm forever grateful to my little brother for making me listen to them when they first came out. All in the Family was seriously funny. I did like Limp Bizkit for a while, starting with Faith. It was just too much of a novelty for me after a while, though.
I only ever knew of them by their connection to KoRn, I band I really loved growing up. Though I've heard their biggest hits, maybe 5 or 6, I never really listened to an album or saw a performance.
I think they were a fad, and that fad wore off. Kind of like how nobody thinks that Marilyn Manson is controversial anymore. Unless he eats the face off of his guitar player in concert, nobody is going to care! I read an article the other day that they parted ways with DJ Lethal and it has not been pretty.
There was a Twitter war, apparently. My favorite song was N 2gether Now, that Method Man appeared on. DAY after school my senior year. I would get in the car and fire it up as I left the parking lot. I still love it. Behind Blue Eyes Some nu metal I did like. Korn is in that group, and I think Jon Davis might be some kind of deity. I did hate Linkin Park, though, with a vengeance. I haven't thought much about where they went, but on occasion I do consider how glad I am that they aren't around anymore.
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